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Episode # 208
Interview on 07.14.2022

Hosted By
Kevin Daisey

Featuring Attorney

Charlene Morring



Managing Partner of
The Law Firm of Charlene A. Morring, PC

About Charlene Morring

Charlene Morring is the Managing Partners at Morring Law PLLC located in Virginia.

Charlene attended Old Dominion University where she competed and was awarded the Kaufman Scholar Award, an honor given to only one student in the campus community. She earned this honor for her work in the community, academics and commitment to leadership. She was accepted into law school at the University of Richmond as an E.W. Hudgins’ scholar, again being recognized for her character and leadership skills.

Both her dedication to the community and her commitment to excel followed Charlene in her practice of law. She has practiced law for 20 plus years, representing many people in her community who have been injured. She continues to be involved in her community with organizations such as ForKids (an organization that helps homeless families) and Young Life (a Christian based organization).

Learn from her expertise and what trends are helping grow her firm on this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast!

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Episode Transcript

Kevin Daisey:

Hey there, everyone. Welcome to another live recording of The Managing Partners Podcast. My name’s Kevin Daisey, and I’ll be your host, also, the founder of Array Digital. We exist to help grow law firms using digital marketing. So if you need that kind of help, please let me know. Today, I have a special guest, and she’s actually right here in my backyard in Virginia, just in Norfolk, Virginia. Of course, we’re located here in Chesapeake, Virginia Beach area. So excited to have Charlene on. And met Charlene before, sat down with her before. We’ve shared ideas and routines and stuff like that. So we’re going to learn a lot of cool things from Charlene, what she’s done with her firm. And Charlene, welcome to the show.

Charlene Morring:

Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. I appreciate you’re having me and engaging with me once more. It’s a pleasure.

Kevin Daisey:

Absolutely. We’re very excited to learn more about you, what you’re doing, not just for your firm, but for the community and some of the routines you have in the morning, like me and you get up early. So any attorneys listening in, young attorneys trying to get out there and do something big, I think you can learn a lot today from Charlene. So first question, Charlene, tell us more about yourself, the journey. Why’d you become an attorney? What was the moment that you said, “This is what I’m going to do?”

Charlene Morring:

Well, it’s kind of a long story short, but I graduated at the age of 17 from high school and didn’t know it, but at that moment, I was pregnant. And I was a single mother quite early. I finished my first year of college, my first semester of college. And that spring semester, I had to take off to take care of my newborn baby.

Charlene Morring:

So when I got back into school, I was very motivated and I was full speed ahead. As my mom said, I could’ve been an astronaut because I was so smart. So I remember talking with one of the counselors at my school at that time and she said… “Well, I want to be a physical therapist to be honest.” And she said, “Physical therapy? You’re going to have to keep a B average, and you have a baby. You’re a single mother. You’re not going to be able to do it.” She was very discouraging. And I remember coming home and saying, “How dare she, telling me what I can do,” da, da, da. My boyfriend at the time who later became my husband says, “Well, as much as you like to debate, you ever thought about law?” And the light bulb came off.

Charlene Morring:

I met a woman by the name Elizabeth [Eisenhart 00:02:51]. She was an attorney in the area who was also serving in a professorship at my college, at Old Dominion, and go Monarchs. And so the relationship with law began. I ended up being a Kauffman scholar, getting the highest honors at ODU, being the first student that she nominated for that scholar to actually win the entire award. My name still is in lights at my college. And so I just fell in love with it. It became natural to me and so, there you have it.

Kevin Daisey:

Awesome. Well, so my question is always are those guidance counselors, do they do that on purpose because it worked or are they just in a…

Charlene Morring:

No, I think it was a little bit of-

Kevin Daisey:

They shouldn’t be in that position.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, I think it a little bit of stereotyping. There is a good story behind that. By the time I graduated college, it was a really big deal. President [Cooke 00:03:47] at the time was hosting dinners in my name. I won a lot awards. I was really active and I did well academically. So I remember she was at Barbara Jordan Community Service Award was dinner and she came up to me and, the same counselor and I hadn’t seen her in years, and she said, “Oh, I just knew you were going to do well.” And I did have a moment of clarity for her and I just looked at her and I said, “I want to thank you, but I also want to share with you that not everybody is like… I could’ve taken the words negatively and said, ‘I can’t do this. No, no, no,’ but I’ve never been that type of person. I’ve always been willing to accept a challenge and fight.” And so that was the moment and that was the last time I saw her.

Charlene Morring:

So I did get an opportunity to kind of tell her, “You might not want to discourage someone just because they made a mistake in life or have a little hiccup,” ’cause we are all going to have hiccups. I mean, particularly even in law, you learn a lot more from your defeats than you do from your wins. And so it was definitely a moment of clarity and yeah, so-

Kevin Daisey:

Well, I’m glad you got that opportunity and maybe that changed something for her so…

Charlene Morring:

Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent. Well, so everyone listening, checking in with the podcast right now or on our video series, just so you can be up to speed with what Charlene does and her firm, you can go to morringlaw.com. That’s M-O-R-R-I-N-G, law.com if you’re listening on the podcast, but go take a look while you’re listening in or watching this so you can see more about her, where she’s located, what she does. We always encourage referral partners on the show if other attorneys have a case or something they can’t handle, reach out. So check out her website. It’s just below on the screen, morringlaw.com. So Charlene, excellent story and I want to get into more of some of those things towards the end, but for now, let’s… Tell us what your firm focuses on. What’s your bread and butter? And how are you helping people and what are you focused on?

Charlene Morring:

So here in our area, Kevin, they call me the queen of workers’ comp. I have… And I don’t know if I want to accept that often, but I have what you call a cottage of a niche, a boutique law firm that is a very small business, but big business, complex litigation, both on a federal and state level. I think it’s so complex that nobody else wants to do it, which is why-

Kevin Daisey:

That’s great.

Charlene Morring:

… we’ve been able to kind of have this cottage and it’s pretty full of lots of routines, lots of things that we’ve done, but essentially, it is federal longshore and defense based at workers’ compensation. So think how are we getting our goods? All of the guys working on the ports, defense, the guys who are building our ships, the guys and gals who are building our ships, the steel workers, a lot of those individuals who work in those dynamics, even the ones who are working or who are still working perhaps overseas. If you’re working overseas for a contractor, but it’s on a base, then those individuals, they come under a certain area of law under the Federal Act. And so unless you know it and been practicing it, it kind of goes over most attorneys’ heads like, “What is this? This is anti to everything I know in the law.”

Charlene Morring:

So that is something that I do heavily that initially represented about 85% of what I did. It’s kind of half and half now. I also do state workers’ compensation. So when I say state, it’s the states in which I’m licensed and I’m licensed in Virginia and North Carolina.

Kevin Daisey:

Okay.

Charlene Morring:

And it’s sort of the same, it’s civil, it’s litigation, but again, it’s different than going in before a regular jury where you have your tort claims and things of that sort. So again, it’s like, “What? You can do that, but you can’t do that?” And it’s the sort of type of business that you have to have a true kind of feed. You got to have that whole feed of cases that are coming in. You got to have a backlog. And when you do that, you’re able to handle it because in both instances, there’s a way of control on how you’re even going to get paid, okay?

Charlene Morring:

So that is kind of different because you can take on a lot of these cases and never see a dime or you can do and put in a lot of work into the cases and the state may say you’re only entitled to $500. Right. And so you definitely have to build the practice properly in order to do it at the level in which I am doing it and have been on it for 20 years or more now.

Kevin Daisey:

Wow.

Charlene Morring:

And so, when you take how you’re getting paid with the nature of the law, it’s why I guess they call me the queen of workers’ comp ’cause no matter what the deal…

Kevin Daisey:

You got a niche. You got to figure out where you want to be in and what other people aren’t willing to do. I assume you get good referrals because of what you do and how you do it.

Charlene Morring:

Yes. Yes, I do.

Kevin Daisey:

Here we go. I don’t want that. I don’t… All Charlene.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, yeah, a lot.

Kevin Daisey:

So well, that was my next question is, would be kind of not referrals, but what’s working for you when getting in front of these folks like say longshoreman? So I guess that kind of maritime for those maybe that don’t know what longshoreman is, but so how are you getting in front of these folks? I assume they’re having injuries on site at the job, but what’s working well for you for them to find you?

Charlene Morring:

Well, the number one thing, and I thank you and I talked about it when we first met, is word of mouth, word of mouth. And where do you get word of mouth? Putting in the work, right?

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah.

Charlene Morring:

And so that has worked tremendously over the years. I have chosen initially when getting into the industry, I was very picky with the case, right? Because there was a word of mouth with the firm that I was associated with already so there was already a stream from the union connections and the people that have been helped. So I wanted to make sure that the people that I did represent that once they left my presence, they left better than they came and so… And that’s challenging because again, you’re dealing with complex litigation, there’s no jury, you got one judge who may decide that this person has been out of work for two years, but they’re not going to get a dime. So you wanted to make sure that you were winning cases.

Charlene Morring:

And so that then got out. And so I have a reputation that I like to protect at all costs from that word of mouth, from people that I’ve helped over the years, people that have seen me in the courtroom. And I don’t know if you know a lot about the longshore industry or maritime industry, but those guys have what I like to call a big mouth. So you help them, there’s going to be one guy that they say, “Call so and so,” and that guy’s going to tell the people in the barber shop, they’re going to tell everybody at the union, they’re going to tell the person they meet at the grocery store. So word of mouth has really helped me develop and market really organically. I truly just try to do my best in communicating and building relationships.

Charlene Morring:

So after I help that individual, I don’t just let them leave me, right? I literally, and this is something I do tell, I tell my clients and said, “Now you’re stuck with me.”

Kevin Daisey:

Right.

Charlene Morring:

“You’re stuck with me, all right?” And they say, “Well, what do you mean I’m stuck?” Meaning you can always call upon me. I try to really build relationships with my clients. And they’re so organic that just yesterday, someone called me and I had represented them maybe 12 years ago.

Kevin Daisey:

Oh, wow.

Charlene Morring:

Oh. But it was a huge injury. It was now a family member and the first thing they said, “I just remember how you made me feel. You not only did a good job, but you listened and made me feel good.” So word of mouth and building that relationship through just my communication with the client I think has worked very well for me.

Kevin Daisey:

Absolutely.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

But you just can’t, you can’t replace that. And then honestly for me, that makes any additional marketing, digital marketing, like what we do, it just makes that a lot easier. If you have a great reputation and that word of mouth, it just makes it easier to do additional things to get your name out there so…

Charlene Morring:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. So what have you, from additional marketing perspective, obviously, you have a nice website, what are some things that you’ve done? Search engine optimization, advertising, I know you do some stuff with local TV. So what are some things that you’ve done there that have worked?

Charlene Morring:

Ah…

Kevin Daisey:

Or not worked?

Charlene Morring:

Imma tell you and little known fact, so when I started this firm, I was full speed ahead. I had already had a clientele base of about 420 people off and running. And so I wanted to make sure that I used the most organic and cheap. I wanted-

Kevin Daisey:

I know. You talk.

Charlene Morring:

… but to gain that. And so we just encouraged our clients to Google our name. That worked. So Google has worked and we’ve… A little bit with that, the website, being active. Facebook has worked because a lot of… You got to kind of know who your clients are.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah.

Charlene Morring:

So my clients are the working class individual, likely between the ages of 25 to about 59, very active on social media, church, things of that sort. So Face-

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent.

Charlene Morring:

Facebook advertising has worked as… They could say, “I saw your commercial,” and it really wasn’t commercial. It was just me maybe talking on Facebook or something.

Kevin Daisey:

Exactly.

Charlene Morring:

“Oh, I saw you or I…” Yeah, or they’ll say, “I saw you did this.” So what has worked, and I was told by the person who was running my marketing at that time, was I did open up a little bit. Most people, if they see me in Walmart, they wouldn’t recognize me. I may have on ripped jeans. I’m very relaxed. I love yoga tights. And so they don’t even recognize me. And so I did try to show them that I’m human and I’m not just this machine that can handle all these cases. I’m very organized, but I’m also human and so Facebook has allowed me to do that.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s excellent and I love it. And you understand your customer, your client, who they are and details of who they are and that’s really good. That’s important.

Charlene Morring:

You have to, and that I think, Kevin, comes from engaging with them. I’ve spoken to attorneys who never truly, particularly like in some of them in personal injury, they meet the client one time and then they’re… That’s it. The client just deals with a paralegal.

Kevin Daisey:

Yep.

Charlene Morring:

I can talk, call a client, have a one-minute conversation and not talk to that client for another year, but they will remember that conversation and feel like I’ve communicated so… And knowing what they’re doing, how they’re seeing me kind of gives me feedback on what I need to do and what I need to correct.

Kevin Daisey:

Awesome.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

I love it. Yeah, that’s a super important thing to understand your client. And even profile it out if you can, who’s my client, what do they look like, where do they hang out, what ages are they? That’s all good stuff. So, okay, I want to get into a couple more questions before we get too far here. One of the things I wanted to ask you about is I mentioned in the beginning, routine in the morning. So what makes a successful day for you? I know for me, I get up, I go to the gym. I try to read. I’m actually reading this book right now. It’s Can’t Teach Hungry.

Charlene Morring:

Ooh.

Kevin Daisey:

By John Morgan who…

Charlene Morring:

Ooh.

Kevin Daisey:

Morgan & Morgan, the big PI firm.

Charlene Morring:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kevin Daisey:

It’s basically had a create a multimillion dollar law firm. I don’t own a law firm, but it’s… Any business should read this book, honestly, especially if you’re a law firm, but I get up, I work out, I read, try to get to the office early if I can and then have all my stuff done. And then I can get into things like this, meetings, podcasts. So tell us a little bit about what you do. You get up earlier than I do, I believe, but-

Charlene Morring:

Yes.

Kevin Daisey:

What should these folks be doing in the morning? What helps you get a good day start?

Charlene Morring:

So I’m a big fan of the 5 AM. One of the books that I will recommend, no plug, but I believe his name was Robin Sharma. Wrote a book about the 5 AM Morning or the 5 AM, Power of the 5 AM, something like that. But anyway, I didn’t have to read the book to believe in it. I believe in getting up early because I deal with a lot during the course of the day.

Charlene Morring:

I try to meditate first in the morning. So I wake up and I’ll meditate and I’ll just have… I believe in personal space, I believe in you have to have that. You have to have creative space, even as an attorney. You still… Because you’re trying to build a business and if your mind is cluttered, you just can’t do that. So some of my best ideas come when I’m grounded alone. I’m able to think. I’m able to fix some of the problems that may have come through my path, find better ways to be productive. So normally, I do that. I work out and then I schedule my day.

Charlene Morring:

I typically keep a journal and it’s just a plain book journal and I… Look, this is really personal, but it works for me.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah.

Charlene Morring:

I break a page up. I put the day on it. I break the page up in fours. I just put it like a big cross, okay. And I read this in something else too, but anyway, I use power, production, purpose, and passion and-

Kevin Daisey:

Love it.

Charlene Morring:

In that, in those little areas, I then write down, and production is normally like my top five things that I want to do in the office or for the business. So like today, you were big on power and production. So the podcast kind of occupied two spaces so… And then, purpose is normally to be kind, to be light, to remember who you are, why you’re here. And it’s even if it’s just one word, sometimes mines is love. Sometimes mines is community. Sometimes mines is compassion, empathy because I deal with a lot of people who are injured and that’s my purpose so it’s my reminder. It keeps me grounded for that. And then-

Kevin Daisey:

Passion.

Charlene Morring:

Passion is family. Passion is always family. Sometimes, it’s just a heart and I’ll put my son and my husband name. My father just was sick. So sometimes, it was just like Dad, but if I then do something in each of those each day, I have had a successful day.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s awesome.

Charlene Morring:

And then I can say, if I die today, I’m a beast like I know I am.

Kevin Daisey:

So I drew out the cross, that’s it.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

My writing’s not good. But so it’s all, so it’s four Ps, right?

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, four Ps. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

I like that.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s all?

Charlene Morring:

And it helps keep me grounded. And because it’s in a journal, if I don’t finish something in production, nine times out of 10, I’m looking back at it. So I’ll call that like old business and I’ll put it on production for the next day-

Kevin Daisey:

So important.

Charlene Morring:

… until I’m able to check it out because you’re not going to be able to finish everything. Some days, it’s not just the specific email. It’s just like, look at your email, but that’s big, right? That’s a big cross. If you can clear out the clutter and look at your email so yeah, so that’s how I normally start my day. And then I get ready like I did today. And I’ll be able to say I shared something that’s personal to me, but that’s in my power to be able to share with others so they can… To help them grow, to help them be as successful ’cause crazy, it’s pretty crazy, my days are here days, but I’m happy about that.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. So I love that and I think that’s the power of a morning when you get up early ’cause once you get to the office there, it’s kind of crazy, out of your control sometimes, but at least that morning, you accomplished things and got some stuff done. And then if the day goes crazy, that’s for me, for me, it’s I at least get that stuff done in the morning. And so if my day goes off the rails, at least my morning was productive so-

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, absolutely.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. I love it. Thanks for sharing that. I wrote it down.

Charlene Morring:

Oh, great.

Kevin Daisey:

And the book as well. And I try to journal and write down my goals and do all stuff in the morning, but I like this format. This is really cool.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah. I carry it. I don’t have it in the room. I carry it to work with me. It stays on my desk so I’m always looking. So even if I’m crazy, crazy, I can kind of look at it and say, “Ooh, I forgot to connect with this guy.” I’m big on relationships. I forgot to send a card that I said I was going to do. It really… I’m kind of old school with the writing, but it’s something to it.

Kevin Daisey:

I’ve gone to it and I keep a legal pad now, but I also have my journal, too. I keep it in my bag or whatever, but I try to do that and read. I’ve gone, I do a lot of audio books, but I’ve gone back to just reading. That just takes so much more away from it when I do that, especially if you can write down stuff from it. I think you just soak it up and-

Charlene Morring:

Yeah. And you’re more present to me, you’re more present.

Kevin Daisey:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah. No, I got to zone out. I’ll be driving to work and an audio book and then I’m like, oh, like two or three minutes went by and I didn’t even really know what it was talking about.

Charlene Morring:

Yep, 20 minutes a day will keep Alzheimer’s away.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. There you go. I love it. All right, well, I got two more questions.

Charlene Morring:

Okay.

Kevin Daisey:

And we don’t want to mess up your whole day. So I wanted to ask one question more about your business. What’s your plans? What’s your goals? What’s the next year look like for you? Have you got any major milestones you’re trying to hit or the next five years looking out? So what are you planning for?

Charlene Morring:

So I added an attorney last year that went to my law school. And my real goal is to build a law firm as much as my alum, law school alums that I can. I’m a loyal bee. So if I engage with Digital Array, unless something catastrophic happens, you’re stuck with me, okay?

Charlene Morring:

So I am interested in contributing now to some things at the law school. I would like to have a scholarship program for minorities and/or people of color because people are going away from minorities I heard on something, but anyway, yeah, so I’m trying to do that. So I’m planning on hiring another attorney this year and I would hope to kind of tier it and structure it that it be a gradual, just add. I have one young lady who was writing my briefs because it’s a little intensive writing in what I do. She actually is at my law school right now. She did very well.

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent.

Charlene Morring:

So in about three years, we already know she’s going to take that spot. So I kind of have the five years, I would probably have at least three more attorneys.

Kevin Daisey:

Nice.

Charlene Morring:

I just conquered some more space. I’m negotiating that ’cause I need it here in the building that I’m at.

Kevin Daisey:

Are you still in the same building that I came to?

Charlene Morring:

Yes, but we’re growing. So the expansion, that should be finished by spring. And so really just continuing the growth-

Kevin Daisey:

That’s awesome.

Charlene Morring:

…to handle the case load. I mean to put it in perspective, I had myself and another attorney at my Newport News office on Saturday and we were booked from 8:30 to 3:00 and it was pretty crazy, all new clients. And so we were trying to, because of COVID, we were trying to kind navigate around the COVID thing. So we’re trying to kind of keep all the exposure to one and yeah, so we’re really growing and I want to be able to handle that growth, which is why I’ll be hiring as much as I possibly can.

Kevin Daisey:

Looks like you have a plan, you know who you want to hire from where, and it sounds like good steady growth to me.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s excellent. Okay. Well, I know you’re going to do well with that and we know you’re going to grow. And everyone, too, just a reminder what her website address if you want to go check out her firm, morringlaw.com. It’s at the bottom of the screen or you can just Google that, look up morringlaw.com.

Charlene Morring:

My hair always changes so deal with it.

Kevin Daisey:

They got to keep up with you.

Charlene Morring:

This is me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

You got to mix it up.

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Well, we mentioned real quick at the end of the cross that we drew out, passion. So we talked a little about before the show some things that you’re passionate about, some things going on in the community. You mentioned that a little bit a second ago, but you were doing some kind of sponsorship with a local TV network.

Charlene Morring:

Yes.

Kevin Daisey:

Just a little bit about that, one of your passion projects before we tune off.

Charlene Morring:

Yes, Remarkable Women on WAVY-TV 10. They highlight weekly one woman who’s been nominated, who’s here locally in the community and they have this all across, I guess, the Fox Network or whatever, who owns that, but-

Kevin Daisey:

Okay.

Charlene Morring:

… here locally, I’m sponsoring it because I believe in it. I believe that there are a lot of remarkable women and being out there, this program just happens to highlight the women who are doing things in their community. I am big on community. One of the things that I read is who you want to be, you have to be intentional. Ten years ago, I said whatever I do, I want to be a philanthropist. I know if I’m able to give… I’ve been on the other side of that being a single mother, but if I’m able to give, then I’m in a position to make impact. And so right now, that’s one of my passion projects. I’m sponsoring that. They came in and did this whole commercial about my community work. We just finished feeding about a thousand people at the shipyard-

Kevin Daisey:

Oh, wow.

Charlene Morring:

… for free. I bought out two food trucks over course of two days, that, a little a bit of that is on the commercial. So it’s really just about giving, giving back to the community, understanding that we all have needed help or can learn from helping someone else so, yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

I love that. And thank you ’cause I’m in your community.

Charlene Morring:

Yes.

Kevin Daisey:

Thanks for helping our community and, yeah, the same thing for me and I think some people, if you can do well for yourself financially is its just one of the things, right, then you can do more and I think you can give back more and make more impact than if you don’t do well for yourself.

Charlene Morring:

Absolutely.

Kevin Daisey:

So I just think it’s my responsibility to do that and-

Charlene Morring:

Yes, absolutely.

Kevin Daisey:

So-

Charlene Morring:

Yes, absolutely.

Kevin Daisey:

Well-

Charlene Morring:

And thank you for whatever you’re doing. I just appreciate it, community-

Kevin Daisey:

I do what I can. I’m always looking for other things that I can get into, but that’s definitely one thing that I strive to do and I want to be able to do more of, so…

Charlene Morring:

Yeah, it has to speak to your heart and so long as it speaks to your heart and it comes from a good place and hey, that’s all that matters.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s it.

Charlene Morring:

That’s it.

Kevin Daisey:

Well, Charlene, thank you so much for sharing some of these things that you’re doing and some of the tips I think, and some of the things I hope other attorneys listening in can can learn from. I took down some notes myself. So hopefully, others will do the same. That’s what this show’s all about. We’re here to have top managing partners share what they’re doing in hopes that you can apply some of it to your life or your firm. So please take notes when we’re listening to these shows, learn from these attorneys that we’re bringing on, they have a lot to share and learn from their experiences-

Charlene Morring:

Thank you for having me.

Kevin Daisey:

Absolutely. Everyone tuning in, if you’re watching this, this will be available, too, up on our website soon, arraylaw.com/podcast so we’ll be featuring Charlene here. And also on the site, on the page, we had over 160, 70 managing partners in 2021. You can search by state or practice area or both. So if you were trying to drill down to find an attorney that’s like you, you can go on there and find those. We also had the managing partner’s newsletter, which goes out every week. We’ll feature attorneys like Charlene, marketing tips. We also have the book club. So a lot of our attorneys that have been on wrote their own books mostly to help law firms kind of like this one so we’ll feature those. So the newsletter’s got a lot of just helpful stuff in there. If you’re not subscribed, you can reach out to us and we’ll get you on the list, but…

Kevin Daisey:

So check that out and then, Charlene’s episode will be out probably later in the spring. We’re pretty backed up, Charlene, but as far as being featured everywhere so be on the lookout for that. And as always if you need help, marketing, websites, getting in front of your ideal customer, that’s what we do. We help grow law firms with digital marketing so reach out to us. You got any questions, reach out to me. You can go to arraylaw.com or you can Google Kevin Daisey, my name, anywhere. I’ll be all over the place ’cause no one else has that name with my spelling so I got fortunate on that one. So Charlene, anything else you want to add before we roll?

Charlene Morring:

No. I am excited about you and this podcast and everything else that you’re doing. And I am just looking forward to looking at some of the other podcasts and hearing what you have to say. All right?

Kevin Daisey:

Well, I appreciate that so much. You stay on with me. We’ll talk backstage a minute.

Charlene Morring:

All right.

Kevin Daisey:

Everyone else, have a great day and we will see you soon.

Charlene Morring:

Stay intentional. Bye.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s right. Good tip.

Charlene Morring:

Bye.

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