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Episode # 194
Interview on 05.26.2022

Hosted By
Kevin Daisey

Featuring Attorney

Dene Matthews



Managing Partner of
The Dunn Matthews Law Firm

About Dene Matthews

Dene Matthews is the Managing Partner at The Dunn Matthews Law Firm in Georgia.

Dene earned her law degree from Atlanta’s John Marshall Law School. She is currently the co-chair of the Newer Lawyers Affinity Group section of the Georgia Association for Women Lawyers. The family unit is the one thing she holds as of great importance. She is close with various members of her family and believes that even through troubling family times, it is important for everyone to remain connected.

Learn from her expertise and what trends are helping grow her firm on this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast!

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Episode Transcript

Kevin Daisey:

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us for another live recording of the Managing Partners Podcast. My name is Kevin Daisey and I am your host. I am also the founder of Array Digital, where we exist to help law firms fill their case pipeline using digital marketing. And today, I have a special guest, Dene Matthews. Welcome to the show.

Dene Matthews:

Thank you, Kevin. Thank you for having me.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, no problem. Thanks for joining me, taking the time. I know you’re busy. We got to chat a little bit behind the scenes, talking about kids, talking about work, lots of emails.

Dene Matthews:

Lots of emails.

Kevin Daisey:

So I said, “What, are you an attorney or something? I don’t get it. [crosstalk 00:00:44] make sense.”

Dene Matthews:

Yup.

Kevin Daisey:

So today, just get right into it, you know, tell me your story, personal life, what are you into, what’s going on in your world? And, as well as, what was that moment that really defined… Defining moment, I guess, where you decided to become an attorney?

Dene Matthews:

Man, what do I like to do? You know, what I like to do is not always necessarily what I do, right? Because I have three children, I’m married and then I’m running my own business, and so I like to read, I like to watch TV by myself and have those moments of just serene peace. For Christmas, I asked for a foot massager for that single purpose, but it doesn’t mean that that’s always what I do, right? And so…

Dene Matthews:

But I enjoy my life as a mom and a wife and a business owner and so my firm particularly kind of falls in a place where I take my personal lifestyle and what I believe in and a God-first method, family second, and everything else is a close third and I kind of put that into my business and the way I interact with my clients and my staff and making sure that we are creating well-rounded individuals, and so I kind of just spend a lot of time pouring into myself and pouring into my family and others, and then I take that time always, every week, practically every day, even if it’s for 15 minutes, to pour into myself. I think that’s very, very important to make sure that you are solid before anybody else.

Kevin Daisey:

I love it. I absolutely love it. And yeah, if you don’t take care of yourself, you can’t take care of others.

Dene Matthews:

Not at all.

Kevin Daisey:

And you can’t help your clients, your staff, your family.

Dene Matthews:

Right. I mean, you can do it, but you might not be doing it well.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah.

Dene Matthews:

Right? So…

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. That’s a good point, for anyone listening, a business owner, attorneys, I’m a business owner as well, like, there’s a lot of things you want to do and prefer to do, but there’s a lot of things you have to do.

Dene Matthews:

A lot that you have to do, that really, in owning a business, I did not understand, when I first started, all the things that you have to do.

Kevin Daisey:

So starting the business, let’s get a little bit more about the firm and yourself. When did you become an attorney and what kind of led you down that path?

Dene Matthews:

Yeah, so I actually graduated from law school in 2012, but I actually started practicing in 2014, I had two babies in the midst of all of that, but honestly, I wanted to be an attorney since I was in high school. I set out on a goal, I accomplished a goal and did exactly what I kind of wanted to do and so, originally, I wanted to represent abused women and children and kind of help them navigate their situation, but over the course of a good couple years and interning in law school, I realized, “I don’t think that’s what I’m necessarily supposed to do, being so limited to abused women and children specifically.” And so I kind of stopped doing that and focused moreso on the family in its entirety and moreso divorces and custody and child support issues and helping people navigate that.

Dene Matthews:

And then, oddly enough, it kind of came full circle in 2019 when I got the opportunity to assist someone who needed some help from an attorney perspective in DFCS cases, so Department of Family and Children Services, and I said, again, “Lord, I don’t think this is what I’m supposed to be doing. I tried this as an intern. I don’t think this is going to be right.” And my grandmother had passed in February of 2019 and that had rocked my world, and so this is two, three months later when this opportunity fell in my lap and I prayed about it and decided to take it, and it was probably the best thing I could have done and so now I’m doing what I originally set out to do, but also doing what I think I was kind of shifted and molded to do instead, in this whole big-picture fashion, and so I’m loving it. I’m loving it.

Kevin Daisey:

Awesome. I’m sure grandma is proud and that’s probably what you should be doing.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

So, excellent. Well, thanks for sharing that and kind of saying more about where you’ve come from and what your goals were and hitting those goals and having your own firm. So what are some of the ways, so far, that you’ve really… What’s worked well, I guess, for you, as far as gaining business, getting new clients and some of the things maybe you’ve done that have been successful, maybe from a marketing standpoint, outreach standpoint, just for the listeners, like what’s worked for you in your marketplace and where are you physically located actually as well?

Dene Matthews:

Oh, I didn’t even say that, did I? Ooh. So my firm is in Metro Atlanta. We are a virtual law firm. We’ve been virtual since the conception in 2014 so we didn’t just make the shift in COVID, so it was actually quite refreshing to kind of just have court at home and all those things because we were used to being at home anyways, but we’re in Metro Atlanta. And your other question, I…

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, about clients and what you’ve done so far to get clients and also, everyone listening, website is below. If you’re watching, it’s below on your screen, if you’re listening, it’s dunnmatthewsfirm.com, so that’s D-U-N-N-matthewsfirm.com. Go check that out, you can learn more about her, connect with her, reach out to her, any referral passing or just if you’re interested to learn more about her and how she’s done what she’s done, so go ahead.

Dene Matthews:

It has been an adventure, I will say. I think, obviously, word of mouth is amazing and fantastic and people trust you because they were referred to you by someone else and that always makes the job a little bit easier because they know that you’ve got what it takes to do what they need you to do.

Dene Matthews:

But over the course of the years, I’ve done so many things. I did a billboard, I’ve done some social media by myself, which… Horrible, horrible. Stay in your lane. I try to stay in my lane and know what I’m good at and what I’m not good at and so…

Dene Matthews:

But what I found to work is very, very consistent social media gets those people who see you or know what you do, but they see you very consistently and they know what you do and what you believe and all of that and weaving in not just the legal aspects, right? Because we’re human beings, attorneys are human beings and people want human beings and some people want the bulldog and just the bulldog and that’s perfectly fine, but I think it’s important to make sure people know and understand who you are as well as what the law says.

Dene Matthews:

So being very consistent in my social media, I started a live series called “Conversations with Dene: Your Family Law and Wellness Needs”, so that runs live once a month and then it’s turned into a podcast, and so I found… I was very nervous to start it, first of all, but I found that a lot of people actually enjoy it and they download it and they send me emails about it and how it has helped them, and so I try to, again, we focus on the entire person at our firm and not just whatever their legal matter is and so I’ve found that by weaving in those things, that it actually speaks to my ideal client.

Dene Matthews:

And so those are really the two things that I have focused moreso on, is getting in front of people on the camera, on lives and just posting videos and things of that nature because people then understand who I am.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, no, I love it and I think that was an important thing you said there was your ideal client and understanding what that ideal client is.

Dene Matthews:

Yes.

Kevin Daisey:

And I think, for anyone listening, like who is your actual ideal client? And I think some people just take the case… You know, if you’re word-of-mouth, it’s kind of like you get what you get and you get referrals, but when you want to start tailoring that and say, “All right, well who do I really want and who would I work with best, who would I help…” You know, “Who do I really want to help?” And your social media should reflect that and it should be, also, real and not faked, right? So I love what you’re doing with that and it sounds like it’s working really well, and you also use StreamYard which is what we’re using right now.

Dene Matthews:

I do. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kevin Daisey:

So I got a StreamYard expert here.

Dene Matthews:

I don’t know about “expert”, but, you know, I’m on the intermediate level, maybe.

Kevin Daisey:

Hey, most large firms don’t have a podcast and stream on social media live…

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

So that you’re doing that consistently is awesome. And I’ve gotten many clients over my years where I post on videos on LinkedIn and I engage with people and they become clients and they’re already ready to be a client because they’re like, “I feel like I know you even though I haven’t met you before.” And so it allows them to connect with you.

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

And especially with people, divorce, they have questions, it takes time, research, thought.

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

So if they’re constantly getting some advice from you over time and they finally make that decision that they need to go forward, there’s a good chance they’re going to call you.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. Agree. Agree.

Kevin Daisey:

So I think it’s good…

Dene Matthews:

It takes a lot to strategize a case and prep a case and a consultation, in my opinion, is not enough.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah.

Dene Matthews:

And you got to be really good at selling in order to be able to do some things in a consult, and so I think it’s for those of us who are not great at selling. I am not great at selling. I am horrible at selling myself. Right? Because we’re all our own worst enemy, and I crawl into a back corner when it comes to selling and I don’t like doing it and I’m constantly investing in myself, also, behind the scenes and how to do that and I still suck at it, but I think people knowing me from other avenues and things that I’ve put forth is, it makes it a little easier, I’m not really selling myself, I’ve kind of already done the work by putting out the content, if that makes sense.

Kevin Daisey:

Well, sometimes, you know, people are already sold.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

And if you’re not trying to sell them, in some cases, that might be more appealing to them and they might just be more sold, but we invest a lot into sales and trying to get better and not from a perspective of like, I don’t want to sell any client anything that’s not a good fit.

Dene Matthews:

Right. Agree.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s the last thing I want to do. But when I know it’s a good fit and I know I can help you, right? Then it makes it a lot easier to say, “Hey, listen, we know we can help you and I’m willing to bet on it and what else do you need from me to see that this is the right fit?

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. Agree.

Kevin Daisey:

So it gets a little easier over time as you start to go, “Okay, I know I can help this person.” And then you kind of lock in and say, “All right, well, I’m going to bug you to death until you give me an answer.” It’s funny, I had a law firm… And I know we’re talking about sales, but I had a law firm client of ours, we do [inaudible 00:13:09] law firms, and they actually… I was like, “Man, I’m bugging these people to death.” And they actually said, “Hey, we appreciate it because we’re busy and we need your help, but we’re just too busy so thanks for calling us and following up so much.” Because otherwise they would’ve drug their feet.

Dene Matthews:

It’s going to go in those emails that we talked about before we hopped on and it’s not going to be…

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, exactly.

Dene Matthews:

You know? [crosstalk 00:13:37] pop up over and over and over again, I’m probably going to take some action, so…

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. Dene sent me her bio about five minutes ago.

Dene Matthews:

We’re literally…

Kevin Daisey:

That’s fine.

Dene Matthews:

Oh, man.

Kevin Daisey:

But no, I think that’s a good point, though, a good point for attorneys listening and managing partners, you got to be good at… You know, you’re an attorney, you’re running a firm, you have to be good at sales.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

And again, you’re not trying to take advantage of people, but if you know you can help, I choose you and at that point, you have to be good at selling yourself and what makes you different and explaining those things, so…

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

And I think Dene does a good job because she doesn’t just… She brings some personal things and her viewpoints into things and some people might like it, some people will be drawn towards it, so… And that’s her ideal client.

Dene Matthews:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). And ones that aren’t, kind of like, it doesn’t really fit my ideal client, right? I want individuals who I can speak to about certain things and they don’t have to necessarily believe in God, but they’ve got to believe in something, right? That is higher than themselves because I don’t care if you meditate, I don’t care if you are Buddhism or… I don’t care, right? But I do care that you believe in something, because at the end of the day, when we’re attacking a domestic litigation case, I’ve got to have you of sound mind and… I have to, because otherwise, the attacks that are being made against you are going to tear you apart or you’re going to be the attacker and the court is not going to look at you nicely and then that’s not going to make my job easy and that’s just not… You know, it’s not going to work.

Kevin Daisey:

Love it. Ideal customer. Everyone should do the exercise of figuring out, writing down, who is the ideal customer? What would they look like? Look at your clients and say, “Hey, the perfect clients, the ones that were just so amazing. What makes them amazing?” And document that and say, “Okay, this is the type of people I want to work with.”

Dene Matthews:

Agree.

Kevin Daisey:

And change your marketing, your messaging, your sales, and then say… You got to be able to say “no”.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

And that’s a big thing… Like, right now, we’re only taking two clients on per month and I’m kind of reluctant to do that, but… Because we’re just trying to throttle things right now and it’s just… And also saying “no”, especially I’ll have friends reach out, “Hey, can you do this?” You know, we only work with law firms and that’s it and it’s sometimes tough to say “no”.

Dene Matthews:

That’s really important because sometimes, especially as attorneys, we get so bogged… Like the numbers have to flow through the door, right? We have to make the money, we have to pay our staff, we have to do all the things, and so we question, “Should I go ahead and take this client because we need to make another X amount of dollars by the end of the year or by the end of this month or quarter?” But then…

Kevin Daisey:

Or my goal I have set.

Dene Matthews:

Right. But we’re only thinking short-term when we do that, and then, in five months, we don’t get along with that client and potentially they’re gone anyways because we decided to part ways and so really, is that helping you or is that… I think you have to really think about that and be willing to say “no”, and yeah. 100% agree.

Kevin Daisey:

100%. And yeah, in the past we’ve done that where I’ve signed a client and been like, “That’s not a good fit.”

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Or if you have other salespeople in your team, then they’re trying to make their numbers and they’re trying to push to through, “Hey, I want to close this deal and sign this client.” And in some cases it’s just got to be, “It’s not a fit. Here’s why.” And then you have your team that has to deal with it too.

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

So now your staff’s going, “Hey, who signed this client? This is terrible.”

Dene Matthews:

Right. Right. “This person’s cursing me out or they hung up on me or…” You know, and that’s not an environment [crosstalk 00:17:37].

Kevin Daisey:

It trickles down, the team’s affected by that and then…

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

And if you lose a client, then the team’s affected by that.

Dene Matthews:

Right.

Kevin Daisey:

Especially when you’re like, “You know what? I knew that we were going to lose that client because I knew they weren’t a fit.”

Dene Matthews:

Yep.

Kevin Daisey:

“And we signed them anyway, so…”

Dene Matthews:

You’re slapping yourself at that point too, like, “Darn it.” But it’s a tough job, managing a law firm and managing a team and planning and figuring out what you’re going to do and not just going day-to-day. It’s tough. It’s tough.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s what this show’s all about.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Well, next question. So I love what you’re doing with social media and going live and the podcast. That’s amazing. I want to share more about that if we can too. Is some of that linked off your website?

Dene Matthews:

So what I do is I then take the live series and I put it onto my website, on a blog page…

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent. Okay.

Dene Matthews:

… as opposed to people having to click multiple different places, but they can certainly find the podcast, Conversations with Dene: Your Family Law and Wellness Needs, on Spotify, Google Podcasts, Buzzsprout, but all that stuff, the live itself is on our website. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent. Okay. I see that on the blog page. So yeah, if you navigate to dunnmatthewsfirm.com, she has a blog tab, you can click on that and it’s the “Your Family Law and Wellness Needs” if you’re searching for that anywhere else. So, excellent. Thank you so much for sharing that.

Kevin Daisey:

So, shift gears a little bit, what is your plans, really, for the future? What’s 2022? You got any goals set up at this point? Have you done some pre-planning? And then maybe what’s the next three to five years, what is in your mind for what you want to accomplish?

Dene Matthews:

You know, so 2022, my ultimate goal is to be able… I don’t have any associates yet, but I feel like I’m at a place where it’s kind of just a little too much for me and my paralegals and all of that, and so I’m hoping that in 2022, I’ll meet my revenue goals so that we can hire an associate or a of counsel or somebody to come in and help us, because what I do enjoy is working on the business. I am nowhere near a place where I no longer want to litigate cases. I am a litigator. Don’t like contracts, I don’t like any of that stuff, I’m a litigator. And so I do want to be able to hire another attorney to be able to help with those things in 2022 and I think that’s my main goal for the year.

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent.

Dene Matthews:

And then increasing my attorney-to-attorney or other professional relationships, because I did fall off on that. I was very good at that at one point in time and then I fell off and my coach is kind of just like, “You need to get back on it. You need to get back on it.” And I’m like, “I want to.” But no, I have to.

Dene Matthews:

So those are my goals for 2022 and I’ve always envisioned a remote firm, because when I decided to do my own law firm, I’d never really wanted to work for someone else, but what I did know is that I wanted to be home for my kids when they came home from school. I wanted to be able to go to their events whenever they had them and not have to rely on someone else to tell me whether I could or couldn’t. This morning, before this, I was at a PTA event trying to collect money for the school dance this weekend. I want to be able to do those things, right? And so…

Dene Matthews:

But what I’ve kind of realized now that I have a team around me, I realized that being all remote may not necessarily be something that I want to do in that three-to-five-year range, and so what we’ve kind of been experimenting with is meeting once a month. So we’ve been meeting for lunch and then last month, in November, we decided to actually meet and do a work day in person, like a training day and all of that kind of stuff.

Kevin Daisey:

Love it.

Dene Matthews:

So I’m just kind of playing with a couple of things to determine if I want to change over the next few years to more of a hybrid model. I never want to take away the remote option because I like being able to do the things that I’m doing, but I think a hybrid model is something that we’re going to be shifting into as well as expanding our team.

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent. Great goals. I love that. Bringing on an associate would be huge.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

And yeah, we’re hybrid now, meaning, in this case, most of our people are remote at home. We do have a handful of us that go to an office, so we still have an office and that’s been a debate for a little while. I think we’re the same way. I think we see, in the future, more people coming back to the office, but most people will still probably be remote.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

I think, to grow a solid leadership team and continue the culture, it’s important to have some in-person meetings.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

We just did a manager…

Dene Matthews:

[crosstalk 00:22:37] like… You know how people do those rope courses and all those type of team-building things? We have not done those. I find them cool. I see them on social media and they look cool, but [crosstalk 00:22:48]…

Kevin Daisey:

I just did that on Friday.

Dene Matthews:

Did you? Was it fun?

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. We had a managers’ retreat, so I have Katya, she lives in Jacksonville, Florida. She’s our HR manager. Jamal lives in Nashville. He’s moved from here, from where I’m from, in Virginia, but he is our project manager. So we flew in a few folks, me and my business partner live near each other, and we did a managers’ retreat with a coach all morning, and then we went, had lunch and then we did go-karts and there’s a rope course there and all kinds of stuff.

Dene Matthews:

Oh. Yeah, that sounds fun.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. Got to get on with it. Come on.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. And then you get to know each other more and outside of just the meetings that you might have on Zoom or whatever platform. Yeah. That sounds [crosstalk 00:23:33].

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, I was doing that every six months before the pandemic and that’s the first time we’ve done it in a little while, so… And then we had our Christmas party this weekend, so that was really cool.

Dene Matthews:

That’s good.

Kevin Daisey:

I had about 16 people come. We would’ve had a lot more if… But, you know, with COVID and everyone traveling, we got a good amount of people, but not everybody, so…

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. COVID’s definitely changed things. But I think, at the same time, it’s opened some eyes, as well, to the way we have our relationships and how we interact with other people and all of that. I miss people. A little bit.

Kevin Daisey:

I agree. Got to get back. You know, got to be cautious, but I’m ready to get back to normal, so…

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

But, well, thanks so much for sharing. I love what you’re doing, the goals, the view you have on things, you have an ideal client, you don’t take on bad clients. I think that’s a hard one right there. That’s a really hard thing. You’re even thinking about sales, that’s something I think people either, they got it or they feel like they got it or they don’t, but they don’t really focus on trying to get better at it and, you know, the social media and stuff you’re doing too.

Kevin Daisey:

So I just think everything you shared today is great for people to hear and especially that you’re full remote going to hybrid, so there’s some big decisions there for you.

Dene Matthews:

Yes.

Kevin Daisey:

But that you’re thinking about those things, I think is really cool and very important. So everyone, again, check out her website, she’s got her content on there as well, on her blog page to see what she’s doing there with her lives and the podcast. Is there any other way you’d like people to connect with you if they wanted to reach out? Because most of our audience is going to be attorneys, but any way they can connect with you otherwise?

Dene Matthews:

I would say follow us on social media, Instagram, we’re @dmatthewsfirm, we’re on Facebook, obviously it’s @dunnmatthewsfirm. Unfortunately there’s a mix up in all that, the handles, but I would say follow us there, share our content. Even, we do a lot of inspirational posts, advice-type posts that are non… You know, they’re not legal-related. And I think that would share it, feel free to share it with your viewers as well, sign up, follow us on Spotify, like I said before, Google Podcasts, YouTube, we are trying to get our YouTube subscribers up. That is a very difficult thing.

Kevin Daisey:

It’s a different animal.

Dene Matthews:

That’s a whole different thing, and I know it’s ran by Google and all this kind of stuff and I’m trying to fully understand it, but I don’t, so follow us on YouTube as well.

Kevin Daisey:

I just did, as we’re talking. You got a new subscriber right now.

Dene Matthews:

Subscribe. Look, I said “follow”, my son’s talking about me all the time that I use the wrong lingo when it comes to YouTube. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.

Kevin Daisey:

I just started following your Instagram as well and yeah. Oh, another thing I just saw, you say this on your Instagram, so I didn’t know this. Flat fees.

Dene Matthews:

Yes. I did not mention that.

Kevin Daisey:

You do flat fees. Okay. That’s unique.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Because not everyone can. I think some states, you might not be able to, but…

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. We’re just one that you can, and we are completely flat fee. We’ve been flat fee since 2019.

Kevin Daisey:

Excellent.

Dene Matthews:

And I just… I didn’t want to deal… We still keep track of time, right? Because I can still ask for attorney’s fees higher than what I bill my client, and so I just got tired of it. I got really tired of it and the client not knowing what to expect and me not knowing what to expect and having to hunt down dollars and I got tired of it, I really did, and so we made the shift.

Kevin Daisey:

Awesome. Well, that’s great.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s… I mean, again, I know I’ve had a few good guests on here that have gone that direction or started that way and I’ve only heard good things and I know, in some areas, you can’t. Like, I think Florida might be one you can’t do that. But yeah, it’s an interesting take and I think I see more and more switching to that model.

Dene Matthews:

Yeah. I’ve seen it all around and I was just having a conversation with my husband the other day, like, “Should I switch to hybrid and do some things early and some things not?” And I said, “Nah.”

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, you get right back to it. We do the same thing. We used to be by the hour and we used to do support for websites and count the hours and we just have flat rate, unlimited everything and just so much easier and less headaches.

Dene Matthews:

[crosstalk 00:28:17] more confusing than just doing hourly and having to deal with that, so…

Kevin Daisey:

Yep. 100%. Well, thanks for sharing everything you had today. I think a lot of good things there. If everyone’s listening, she shared a lot of little tidbits there I think any firm could learn from and especially if you’re starting out, if you’re trying to hang your own shingle and go out on your own, some of the stuff [inaudible 00:28:41] think about, so… Anything else before we go?

Dene Matthews:

No, I think that’s it. Thank you for having me. I enjoyed it. It was a blast.

Kevin Daisey:

No, thanks so much. I love everything you had to say. And everyone, this will be up soon, if you’re watching, listening, arraylaw.com/podcast, we also have the Managing Partners Newsletter which goes out every week. We feature episodes that are upcoming. We’ll share this as a live soon so those will be shared in our newsletter. We also have the book club, so any of our attorneys out there that have been guests that also have written a book, we have a book club so we feature books by the attorneys. Most of the books are to help attorneys run their businesses and things like that so it’s a really good list of books that we have coming out, so…

Kevin Daisey:

But take a look, if you want to sign up for that newsletter, reach out to us. Dene, we’ll probably already put you in there so you’ll be getting that soon. And so yeah, check out her stuff and Dene, my team are reaching out and once it’s up on YouTube and all that stuff, you can share that as well throughout your followers. And then of course, if you need help, well… Wrong one.

Kevin Daisey:

If you need help marketing your firm, growing your firm through SEO, advertising, social media, some of the things like Dene’s doing here, that’s what we do, website design, development. We help firms grow, so reach out to us. Got any questions, I’m happy to answer those and that’s it. So have a blessed day.

Dene Matthews:

You as well.

Kevin Daisey:

All right, we’ll see you guys soon. Dene, you hang on with me for a second. We’ll talk backstage. Everyone else, have a great day.

Dene Matthews:

Bye.

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